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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://cheese.rox.com/2006/05/21/sign-of-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a copy of the source dialog, here (toward the bottom of the page):

http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic/2-20

Some of it is quoted here:

-I think, he said, that there is no need to impose laws about them on good men; what regulations are necessary they will find out soon enough for themselves.
-Yes, I said, my friend, if God will only preserve to them the laws which we have given them.
-And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever making and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining perfection.
-You would compare them, I said, to those invalids who, having no self-restraint, will not leave off their habits of intemperance?
-Exactly.
-Yes, I said; and what a delightful life they lead! they are always doctoring and increasing and complicating their disorders, and always fancying that they will be cured by any nostrum which anybody advises them to try.
-Such cases are very common, he said, with invalids of this sort.
-Yes, I replied; and the charming thing is that they deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth, which is simply that, unless they give up eating and drinking and wenching and idling, neither drug nor cautery nor spell nor amulet nor any other remedy will avail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a copy of the source dialog, here (toward the bottom of the page):</p>
<p><a href="http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic/2-20" rel="nofollow">http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic/2-20</a></p>
<p>Some of it is quoted here:</p>
<p>-I think, he said, that there is no need to impose laws about them on good men; what regulations are necessary they will find out soon enough for themselves.<br />
-Yes, I said, my friend, if God will only preserve to them the laws which we have given them.<br />
-And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever making and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining perfection.<br />
-You would compare them, I said, to those invalids who, having no self-restraint, will not leave off their habits of intemperance?<br />
-Exactly.<br />
-Yes, I said; and what a delightful life they lead! they are always doctoring and increasing and complicating their disorders, and always fancying that they will be cured by any nostrum which anybody advises them to try.<br />
-Such cases are very common, he said, with invalids of this sort.<br />
-Yes, I replied; and the charming thing is that they deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth, which is simply that, unless they give up eating and drinking and wenching and idling, neither drug nor cautery nor spell nor amulet nor any other remedy will avail.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://cheese.rox.com/2006/05/21/sign-of-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 14:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turns out I was remembering a paraphrase (of Plato's Republic), from this article:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/spectator2/spec548.html

The summary paragraph I like is: 

In his Republic, Plato (429‚Äì347 bc) argues that it is the mark of a badly governed society to need constant rafts of legislation. He likens such societies to the sick, who imagine that they will get better by stuffing themselves with varieties of medicines, when they should be changing their way of life instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turns out I was remembering a paraphrase (of Plato&#8217;s Republic), from this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/spectator2/spec548.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/spectator2/spec548.html</a></p>
<p>The summary paragraph I like is: </p>
<p>In his Republic, Plato (429‚Äì347 bc) argues that it is the mark of a badly governed society to need constant rafts of legislation. He likens such societies to the sick, who imagine that they will get better by stuffing themselves with varieties of medicines, when they should be changing their way of life instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor B</title>
		<link>http://cheese.rox.com/2006/05/21/sign-of-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 12:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to see that Plato quote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see that Plato quote!</p>
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